Fabu YA blogger The Story Siren explains why she reads YA and brings the lot of us to tears.

Scalzi argues that characters who are generally put together are not necessarily Mary Sues. I found this post very interesting because of a conversation I had on Fangs, Fur, Fey a while back (nope, can’t find it, I looked) where someone more versed in the SFF world than I told me that the accusation of “Mary Sue!” is so ubiquitous that it has almost lost all meaning.

***For those who are curious, “Mary Sue” is a term used to describe idealized, often-authorial-self-insertion wish fulfillment characters, usually in fanfiction, but occasionally in original stories. For instance, fan-fiction is rife with the perfect, young (often teenaged) new ensign on the Enterprise/Student at Hogwarts/vampire slayer who shows up, is beautiful and beloved by all thecharacters — but especially all the male characters–on the show, is especially talented and perfect in every way, is above the temptations/concerns/weaknesses/faults that plague the others, saves the day and then, often, dies in the arms of the cutest guy. There are even “Mary Sue Litmus Tests” available online, which are rife with the most hilarious questions (especially if you’ve read a lot of fanfic), such as “is the character’s name a name you really like? Extra points if it’s Raven” and “Are the character’s eyes a color which is found in nature?”***

Anyway, apparently it’s gotten to the point in SFF land to call “Mary Sue” on a character who has any kind of special power (dude, isn’t that why we’re writing stories about them in the first place?) or who isn’t phenomenally screwed up, or who is liked by anyone in the book at all. Which, unfortunate. Anyway, read the piece.

Watched two movies in the last two days. Both sucked. One was Code 46, which seemed right up my alley, but ended up making no sense whatsoever. It’s the near future, and everyone needs these very specific time-sensitive documents to travel anywhere and the cities all have massive border control and everyone else lives outside the city. Oh, also, cloning and in vitro fertilization had previously been such a problem that there was a widespread “inbreeding” panic and now there’s a law called “Code 46″ which says that you can’t have sex anyone who may be genetically related to you. Which I suppose means you’re supposed to get screened before you get busy. Also, there are these viruses you can take which give you special powers or limit your behavior. Oh, and if that isn’t enough, they also have supercool new technology that regrows fingers and alters memory.

Anyhoo, Tom Robbins travels from Seattle to Shanghai to investigate someone who is smuggling out these time-sensitive documents that you seriously need for every single aspect of your existence. But that’s just a MacGuffin. Really, he’s there to meet and have a whirwind affair (depsite the fact that he’s married and has a kid) with Samantha Morton, improbably playing someone named “Maria Gonzalez”, who, although she never does her (practically shaved) hair or puts on makeup or wears anything other than shapeless factory-worker clothes, is apparently the type of girl who goes in for a full on Brazilian bikini wax (yes, I know this, becuase we get to see all of her lady bits). And there are all these ENDLESS shots of her walking in slow motion through subway stations and airports, and long lingering shots on some random dude singing karaoke in a bar. The movie was 90 minutes long. Felt like 200.

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Well, with a name like Code 46, I bet you know what happens. Turns out these two are related. As a Code 46 violator (not sure how the gov’t found this out), Morton is forced to have an abortion, has her memory altered to erase Robbins, and gets this handy dandy little “virus” that makes her dread the touch of anyone she shares genetic material with (see, because they now think she’s an incestophile) and, what’s more, makes her slip into a trance and report it if she does manage to commit another Code 46 violation. Which means there’s a really weird “rape” scene in which Robbins has to strap her downa nd hold her while she alternately screams in pain and insists she loves him. (Why she loves him, I don’t know, because she’s had her memory of him erased.)Then she reports it. How she manages to report it I don’t know, becuase it was previously established that after he came and rescued her from the government, they were kind of on the run and had to go live on the “Outside” in the shanty towns where the government couldn’t get them. Indeed, at the end of the movie, Morton chooses to stay on the outside, where she won’t be punished or have her memory erased, while Robbins chooses to have his memory erased and goes back to his wife. She even says “they don’t care what happens ‘outside.’” So why do they come after them once they leave? It’s a mystery.

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So that was the first movie. The other one was Rumor Has It, which I probably should have just listened to my friend Anna, who swore I’d hate it. It started out pretty good — it’s about the family that were supposedly the inspiration for the book and movie, The Graduate. And I have to say that I really believed Shireley MacLaine as the grown-up Mrs. Robinson, and I actually like Kevin Costner quite a bit as the grown up Benjamin Braddock. I even liked Richard Jenkins as the much-maligned man that “Elaine” actually marries. It was especially cool because it sort of recast the story so that the characters all had slightly different motivations than seen through the lens of the Graduate fiction,a dn they got to give their own version of events, and you could see how some of it was “true” and some wasn’t.

But the movie was baffling. I guess to make the ages work, they had to set it in the early 90s (because they didn’t want “Elaine’s” daughter to be more than 30), though aside from a few references to Clinton and dot-coms, there was literally nothing in there that was remotely 90s. The fashions weren’t, the hair and makeup wasn’t, the cars and decor and wedding clothes really weren’t! Don’t even get me started on the cell phones! And then there’s this scene where Jennifer Aniston wakes up in Kevin Costner’s bedroom and on his bedside table, he has a picture of himself with Clinton, and a picture of himself with FIDEL CASTRO. On his bedside table.

And Jennifer Aniston’s character bugged the hell out of me. Is it a requirement now that the “job” they give romantic comedy characters is “writing obituaries for a newspaper?” How many romantic comedy characters is that now? I can count three off the top of my head. And then there was the romance. I guess there was supposed to set up this pattern — “Elaine” left her husband and ran off with Kevin Costner before returning and settling down, so they had this whole thing with Jennifer Aniston doing it too (this is not a spoiler, it’s the point of the movie), but I’m sorry, if I’m cutey-patootie Mark Ruffalo, and a rich lawyer in New York, and, to top it off, very sweet and loving and supportive and ready for commitment, and my so-called fiance refuses to tell her family that we’re engaged, treats me like crap, steals my anachronistically small cell phone to run off to San Francisco and have a very public affair with a man twice her age who also slept with her mom and grandma, and then she comes crawling home with the oh-so-romantic apology of “I can live without you,” (especially after he overheard her grovelling to her lover for a far lesser offense for like ten minutes about how handsome and fabulous and what a great lay he was) — yeah. Plenty more fish in the sea, Mark. PLENTY.

Gah.

Anyone see any good movies recently?

17 Responses to “A Few More Links of Note and Bad Movies”
  1. Dan says:

    Did you see the day-long Mary Sue Debate on Twitter earlier this week? I wasn’t that familiar with the term and, the more I looked into it, the more confused I got. By the definition, almost any female character in SFF would be called a Mary Sue.

    This is why I avoid labels.

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  2. Diana says:

    Am not sorry to say I missed it. I think it’s a good term that has probably gone bad from being applied too liberally. “I know Mary Sue when I see her and you, ma’am, are NOT mary sue!”

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  3. Tiff says:

    Rachel Getting Married was depressing as hell, but gorgeous and amazing. Doubt was also pretty awesome.

    As for stuff not in the theatres, have you seen the 2008 BBC miniseries of Sense and Sensibility? It’s only 3 hours long (I think, which basically makes it regular movie length), and absolutely wonderful.

    I’m on Season 2, episode 8 of Mad Men. Did you finish it? How did you like it?

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  4. Diana says:

    I gave up on Mad Men. I might pick it up again sometime. Zoe from the West Wing was pissing me off too much, though I was finally starting to like the missus. Too many episodes were just, “hey, look, in the fifties women were pregnant and smoked! ha ha ha!”

    I am now watching Star Trek: The Next Generation, which I must have missed as a teen, though really, I don’t know why. I think I’m in love with Patrick Stewart. Sailor Boy knows, and is cool with it (watching Star Trek was his idea).

    I’m also watching AVATAR, which I’m loving so far. (SB gave up on it after the first episode.) I’m four eps in.

    I haven’t seen S&S 2008. I should check it out. I’ve also heard really good things about RGM, and I do like Anne hathaway…

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  5. Gina Black says:

    RUMOR HAS IT is bar none, one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen (and I saw BEV HILLS COP 4 or whatever it was).

    STTNG is one of the BEST series there has ever been! ERF got us all watching it back when it was first on. (I was one of those Original Series purists and would have missed it.)

    As for recommendations . . . I haven’t been keeping up with movies and I really don’t watch TV–except I was coerced into watching FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS and think it’s brilliant. You can watch it online, too.

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  6. Maureen McGowan says:

    Oh, I am so with you on both of those films. I’d forgotten about Code 46. And had mostly blanked the other one out of my mind, too. I was upset that Rumor Has It sucked so badly. I thought the premise (on the surface) was kind of clever. But the only good line in the entire movie was in the trailer… Can’t even remember it right now… something like, “that’s why you have to hide it from the kids!” Oh, and maybe Shirley MacLaine had a couple of moments.

    Sigh. Movie. So. Dumb. I remember seriously cringing at some scenes. Wasn’t there some creepy bit with Kevin Costner’s son and Anniston, too? Creepy, yucky movie that made no sense.

    And I don’t think I watched Code 46 carefully enough to even understand the plot. Either that or I had my brain erased after watching it. Never have Tim Robbins and Samantha Morton disappointed me more…

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  7. JulieLeto says:

    I’m watching STTNG, too! I’m Tivo’ng all the episodes and watching them during lunch and laundry, my ordinary tv watching time. Other than trying to get beyond Deanna’s bad hair in the first season, I love that show.

    Avatar…the cartoon? Because I love that. But I know there’s another show by that name and I’m assuming that’s what you’re watching, because no one is a cartoon geek like me.

    I did see Bedtime Stories at the movies with my daughter and it was very funny. I love Adam Sandler, though. Today, I watched parts of Spanglish. A very underrated film, IMO.

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  8. Lesley says:

    Yes, the best movie I have seen in the last five years is Slumdog Millionaire. I haven’t felt such passion or emotion during a movie (and after) in …I have no idea how long. For me, hands down, it is the best picture of the year by far. I highly recommend it!

    The Reader, although it is depressing, is also very good. And of course, Kate Winslet is amazing, as usual. I hope she wins the Oscar this time. She is certainly overdue.

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  9. Diana says:

    It’s the cartoon, Julie. Avatar: The Last Airbender. I’m really enjoying it!

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  10. Alexa says:

    Slumdog Millionaire is amazing. Other excellent films I’ve seen lately are Eternal Sunshine f the spotless mind, I came late to that one but Kate is amazing and Jim carrey not at all annoying. Also Happy go Lucky, which I loved.

    I haven’t seen either of the films you mentioned and doubt I will :)

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  11. JulieLeto says:

    You and I are such soul mates. I love Avatar!!! Great storyline, great characters, great writing. Love, love, love.

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  12. JulieLeto says:

    You know, I could care less about serious movies anymore. Maybe that makes me pedestrian, but I watch movies to be entertained and crying does not rank up there in my list of entertaining things. While my daughter and I were watching Bedtime Stories, my husband went to see Nixon/Frost. I have rarely seen any Oscar winning films and I never regret it, though I do wish to see Doubt simply because I love Meryl Streep and Amy Adams. But it’ll be a wait until DVD for me.

    Maybe this is because I rarely get to see any movies inappropriate for a 10 year old because, well, I have a 10 year old who goes pretty much with me everywhere!

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  13. katayoun says:

    i liked mama mia!, though not sure if you would :) but then there are the abba songs and that makes the movie so very good for me.

    then if you haven’t seen these two, “better off dead” and “roseanna’s grave”, i’d suggest them and please don’t rate them based on my liking mama mia! :)

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  14. Diana says:

    katayoun, I liked Mamma Mia. I was a little confused by the music sometimes because I didn’t necessarily think it always fit the plot, but I love ABBA songs and everyone seemed to be having such a good time I went with it. I especially loved Amanda Seyfried who played the daughter, adn the scene where she went sailing with her dads and then swam to shore to be with her boyfriend and then he got kidnapped for his stag party. I thought that whole part, and even her party and the climax of that act — was awesome. I adore musicals.

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  15. PurpleRanger says:

    I think what we need is a book with a character that is so over-the-top obviously a Mary Sue, that is NAMED Mary Sue. In the right hands, this could be one of the funniest books imaginable.

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  16. Diana says:

    PR, the terms “Mary Sue” was coined by a Star Trek fanfic writer when she wrote a parody of bad fanfic making fun of those types of characters, and named her parody character Mary Sue.

    Also, Reese Witherspoon’s perfect teen girl in Pleasantville was named Mary Sue, which many think is a nod to the concept.

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  17. PurpleRanger says:

    Trust me, I know the origin of the term. I may not have read that much Trek fanfic, but I learned all about it from one of my college professors, who has both read and written quite a bit of fanfic.

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