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		<title>By: Diana Peterfreund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Peterfreund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No it&#039;s not as simple as that. We&#039;re talking about ultra-alpha males, older nad more experienced than the meek and innocent heroines, who have an absurd amount of control over said heroines, and sweep them away both romantically and physically, overpower them, etc. etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it&#8217;s not as simple as that. We&#8217;re talking about ultra-alpha males, older nad more experienced than the meek and innocent heroines, who have an absurd amount of control over said heroines, and sweep them away both romantically and physically, overpower them, etc. etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally disagree, Diana. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So &quot;Twilight&quot; has some sort of secret baby plot?  Or it is just the angst of romance?  Which is found in any number of books. And if that is how vague you are going, I don&#039;t think your argument is a sound one.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And &quot;Jane Eyre&quot;????  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Greek Tycoon = Rochester&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Is that it?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I still would not want to read &quot;Jane Eyre&quot; over and over again every month with various plot changes like &#039;Greek&#039; vs. &#039;Italian&#039; or &#039;shipping magnate&#039; vs. &#039;prince.&#039;  It&#039;s not the plot that makes me think &quot;Jane Eyre&quot; is a good read, so much as HOW she wrote it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally disagree, Diana. </p>
<p>So &#8220;Twilight&#8221; has some sort of secret baby plot?  Or it is just the angst of romance?  Which is found in any number of books. And if that is how vague you are going, I don&#8217;t think your argument is a sound one.</p>
<p>And &#8220;Jane Eyre&#8221;????  </p>
<p>Greek Tycoon = Rochester</p>
<p>Is that it?  </p>
<p>I still would not want to read &#8220;Jane Eyre&#8221; over and over again every month with various plot changes like &#8216;Greek&#8217; vs. &#8216;Italian&#8217; or &#8217;shipping magnate&#8217; vs. &#8216;prince.&#8217;  It&#8217;s not the plot that makes me think &#8220;Jane Eyre&#8221; is a good read, so much as HOW she wrote it.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Peterfreund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Peterfreund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, a few examples for anonymous:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Jane Eyre.&lt;br/&gt;Twilight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, a few examples for anonymous:</p>
<p>Jane Eyre.<br />Twilight.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused by your comment, Diana. How would an over-the-top romance be similar in any way to literature read in English class?  To me, it seems like a written version of &quot;One Life to Live.&quot; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t see how the plot of these books are similar to books on the bestseller lists. Just because they involve romances?  Greek tycoons and secret babies don&#039;t show up in many bestsellers I have read. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Plus, there is a big difference to me in HOW something is written rather than subject. Basic plots are not unique, but how the book is written to expand upon the basic plot is unique.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Nothing wrong with that. If people enjoy reading it, go for it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just not for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused by your comment, Diana. How would an over-the-top romance be similar in any way to literature read in English class?  To me, it seems like a written version of &#8220;One Life to Live.&#8221; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how the plot of these books are similar to books on the bestseller lists. Just because they involve romances?  Greek tycoons and secret babies don&#8217;t show up in many bestsellers I have read. </p>
<p>Plus, there is a big difference to me in HOW something is written rather than subject. Basic plots are not unique, but how the book is written to expand upon the basic plot is unique.</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with that. If people enjoy reading it, go for it. </p>
<p>Just not for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Ashby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda Ashby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe - Diana, I love many things about the UK, but those crazy puddings aren&#039;t one of them! Actually my husband (English) and I were talking about it last night. He loves anything made out of sago, rice or semolina served up with a blob of jam and lumpy custard!! Thankfully, when Penny and our other friends met for pudding, it was more along the lines of chocolate and cream!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe &#8211; Diana, I love many things about the UK, but those crazy puddings aren&#8217;t one of them! Actually my husband (English) and I were talking about it last night. He loves anything made out of sago, rice or semolina served up with a blob of jam and lumpy custard!! Thankfully, when Penny and our other friends met for pudding, it was more along the lines of chocolate and cream!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen McGowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen McGowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know... That line is about as far away from my reading tastes as you can get... Still, as you do, I have friends I respect who gobble them up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know&#8230; That line is about as far away from my reading tastes as you can get&#8230; Still, as you do, I have friends I respect who gobble them up.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Peterfreund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Peterfreund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that scene, Walt! And the one where her editor says, &quot;your books do very well in these macho countries!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think it does have a certain romanticism to it that is more readily accepted in different countries. Like how the over-the-top telenovellas in latin America are watched by men AND women, whereas American soap operas are for female audiences almost exclusively. I think there&#039;s a different sensibility. Here, reading something about romance might not be viewed as masculine, but elsewhere, reading about these ultra-macho males taking charge of their women might be viewed differently. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Interesting possibilities...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that scene, Walt! And the one where her editor says, &#8220;your books do very well in these macho countries!&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it does have a certain romanticism to it that is more readily accepted in different countries. Like how the over-the-top telenovellas in latin America are watched by men AND women, whereas American soap operas are for female audiences almost exclusively. I think there&#8217;s a different sensibility. Here, reading something about romance might not be viewed as masculine, but elsewhere, reading about these ultra-macho males taking charge of their women might be viewed differently. </p>
<p>Interesting possibilities&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Peterfreund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Peterfreund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think there&#039;s more parody in PRs than in HPs, mostly because I think in HPs, there aren&#039;t many *humorous* examples. They&#039;re supposed to be very emotional and cathartic (which was why my roommate was so drawn to them -- they were diametric to any relationship she would pursue in the real world). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And yes, I think there is love in a lot of parody (sometimes just contempt, but often, love). Someone who reads more HPs than I do will have to answer the question, however, as to whether there is parody in any HPs. I&#039;m guessing not, though. There is already so much contempt for these kind of novels that my guess is that the people who produce them and read them are ultra-sensitive to anything that has a whiff of the contempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think there&#8217;s more parody in PRs than in HPs, mostly because I think in HPs, there aren&#8217;t many *humorous* examples. They&#8217;re supposed to be very emotional and cathartic (which was why my roommate was so drawn to them &#8212; they were diametric to any relationship she would pursue in the real world). </p>
<p>And yes, I think there is love in a lot of parody (sometimes just contempt, but often, love). Someone who reads more HPs than I do will have to answer the question, however, as to whether there is parody in any HPs. I&#8217;m guessing not, though. There is already so much contempt for these kind of novels that my guess is that the people who produce them and read them are ultra-sensitive to anything that has a whiff of the contempt.</p>
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		<title>By: mote</title>
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		<dc:creator>mote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As soon as I posted that comment I realized it couldn&#039;t be the way things really are for people who write this stuff.  I know that if I were to sit down and write one of these there would be no way I would be doing it without my tongue just a little bit in cheek, but that&#039;s just me, I don&#039;t think that would be typical of people working in this category.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;but i definitely agree, the fans and the writers are completely serious in their love of this category.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Although I am curious - do you think parody can&#039;t be produced by fans?  for instance, imitators of cheesy low-budget b-movies poke fun at their source material, but I think they&#039;re still fans of that source material...  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And I read quite a bit of paranormal romance (and love it!  Michelle Rowen is one of my favourites) and I agree that that the alpha-male script is pretty typical of a lot of it, but I also think that in that genre you are more likely to encounter subversions of that script than you would in Harlequin Presents, where they sort of set the alpha-male type up just to knock him down a peg or two :-) - I wish I could think of a good example right now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as I posted that comment I realized it couldn&#8217;t be the way things really are for people who write this stuff.  I know that if I were to sit down and write one of these there would be no way I would be doing it without my tongue just a little bit in cheek, but that&#8217;s just me, I don&#8217;t think that would be typical of people working in this category.  </p>
<p>but i definitely agree, the fans and the writers are completely serious in their love of this category.  </p>
<p>Although I am curious &#8211; do you think parody can&#8217;t be produced by fans?  for instance, imitators of cheesy low-budget b-movies poke fun at their source material, but I think they&#8217;re still fans of that source material&#8230;  </p>
<p>And I read quite a bit of paranormal romance (and love it!  Michelle Rowen is one of my favourites) and I agree that that the alpha-male script is pretty typical of a lot of it, but I also think that in that genre you are more likely to encounter subversions of that script than you would in Harlequin Presents, where they sort of set the alpha-male type up just to knock him down a peg or two <img src='http://www.dianapeterfreund.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; I wish I could think of a good example right now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(regarding the availability of this sub-genre books in foreign countries)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m reminded of the scene in Romancing The Stone with Juan, who reads Joan Wilder&#039;s books to his workers every week... and wonder if that could actually happen to a romance writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(regarding the availability of this sub-genre books in foreign countries)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of the scene in Romancing The Stone with Juan, who reads Joan Wilder&#8217;s books to his workers every week&#8230; and wonder if that could actually happen to a romance writer.</p>
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