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		<title>By: Holly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;ve seen one case of the roles being reversed, with an attractive female mentor to the male protagonist, in the Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney video game. Mia Fey is Phoenix&#039;s mentor, and is quite flirty with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve seen one case of the roles being reversed, with an attractive female mentor to the male protagonist, in the Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney video game. Mia Fey is Phoenix&#8217;s mentor, and is quite flirty with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle, that is PRECISELY the point. That the trope is that the female&#039;s mentor is so often seen as a sexual one whereas the male&#039;s mentor is so often seen as an asexual one, that people assume that whenever a male mentor appears to a female in a story that there WILL be a sexual element to it.

That&#039;s what makes it a trope. Why aren&#039;t there more sexualized female mentors for male heroes? Why aren&#039;t there more asexualized male OR female mentors for female heroes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle, that is PRECISELY the point. That the trope is that the female&#8217;s mentor is so often seen as a sexual one whereas the male&#8217;s mentor is so often seen as an asexual one, that people assume that whenever a male mentor appears to a female in a story that there WILL be a sexual element to it.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what makes it a trope. Why aren&#8217;t there more sexualized female mentors for male heroes? Why aren&#8217;t there more asexualized male OR female mentors for female heroes?</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, interesting theory, but aren&#039;t we largely ignoring the fact that the big difference between the Buffy/Angel types of relationship, and the Luke/ObiWan relationships, is the fact that one is between acceptable sexual partners (ie: a member of the opposite sex), and the other one is not?  I was trying to think of a relationship between a boy and a female mentor figure, but I couldn&#039;t really think of any...unless you count the femme fatale figures, in which case the irresistible attraction seems to mirror that found in the Buffy/Angel relationship.  The best I can come up with is D&#039;Artagnan and Milady de Winter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, interesting theory, but aren&#8217;t we largely ignoring the fact that the big difference between the Buffy/Angel types of relationship, and the Luke/ObiWan relationships, is the fact that one is between acceptable sexual partners (ie: a member of the opposite sex), and the other one is not?  I was trying to think of a relationship between a boy and a female mentor figure, but I couldn&#8217;t really think of any&#8230;unless you count the femme fatale figures, in which case the irresistible attraction seems to mirror that found in the Buffy/Angel relationship.  The best I can come up with is D&#8217;Artagnan and Milady de Winter.</p>
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		<title>By: Shveta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shveta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, excellent post.

I hate that we have been conditioned to expect these things and often don&#039;t recognize that we&#039;re just reacting to conditioning.  Personally, I find it refreshing when there &lt;i&gt;isn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; a love triangle in a YA novel.

And I&#039;m totally with Saundra on the Astrid/destiny thing.  Me, too!

(And finally, yes, there&#039;s no dangerous, mysterious Gale.  Sorry.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, excellent post.</p>
<p>I hate that we have been conditioned to expect these things and often don&#8217;t recognize that we&#8217;re just reacting to conditioning.  Personally, I find it refreshing when there <i>isn&#8217;t</i> a love triangle in a YA novel.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m totally with Saundra on the Astrid/destiny thing.  Me, too!</p>
<p>(And finally, yes, there&#8217;s no dangerous, mysterious Gale.  Sorry.)</p>
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		<title>By: MaryK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaryK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!  But her post makes a very compelling argument!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!  But her post makes a very compelling argument!</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting perspective, MaryK. Unfortunately, Sarah&#039;s preference is just plain nuts. There is no coupling with Bucephalus. Bucephalus is an animal. And Giovanni is already a character, not one in development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting perspective, MaryK. Unfortunately, Sarah&#8217;s preference is just plain nuts. There is no coupling with Bucephalus. Bucephalus is an animal. And Giovanni is already a character, not one in development.</p>
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		<title>By: MaryK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaryK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit I&#039;m only vaguely familiar with a lot of couples referenced.  And I&#039;ve not read Rampant yet so I can&#039;t comment directly on the Astrid/Bucephalus question. :(

But I can contribute my reason for usually liking the &quot;sardonic older-but-sexy types.&quot;  For me, it&#039;s all about the power - because power is sexy. ;D  [Age is irrelevant, actually I prefer not older.]

I&#039;ve never seen myself as powerful or identified with powerful heroines so that&#039;s probably a factor in my attraction to powerful (rather than normal) literary males.  Readers who can identify with a powerful heroine might be less power-hungry in their choice of hero. For me at least, the attraction of &quot;stronger&quot; is about acquisition of power rather than subservience.  If you have no power, you ally with power.

This is an interesting topic!

Anyway, my completely unsolicited/uninformed advice is, if you want Giovanni to trump sexy power make him clever, because clever is very sexy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit I&#8217;m only vaguely familiar with a lot of couples referenced.  And I&#8217;ve not read Rampant yet so I can&#8217;t comment directly on the Astrid/Bucephalus question. <img src='http://www.dianapeterfreund.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But I can contribute my reason for usually liking the &#8220;sardonic older-but-sexy types.&#8221;  For me, it&#8217;s all about the power &#8211; because power is sexy. ;D  [Age is irrelevant, actually I prefer not older.]</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never seen myself as powerful or identified with powerful heroines so that&#8217;s probably a factor in my attraction to powerful (rather than normal) literary males.  Readers who can identify with a powerful heroine might be less power-hungry in their choice of hero. For me at least, the attraction of &#8220;stronger&#8221; is about acquisition of power rather than subservience.  If you have no power, you ally with power.</p>
<p>This is an interesting topic!</p>
<p>Anyway, my completely unsolicited/uninformed advice is, if you want Giovanni to trump sexy power make him clever, because clever is very sexy.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love this post and the comments! Lell you cracked me up with point 2! 

I&#039;m a huge Giovanni fan because he is normal and I do like normal boys (of course it always helps if they are super hot and speak Italian too) and this all kind of set my mind to rest about worries I had for Giovanni in Ascendant. Yay for normal.

And now I have to go and watch Labyrinth and David Bowie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this post and the comments! Lell you cracked me up with point 2! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a huge Giovanni fan because he is normal and I do like normal boys (of course it always helps if they are super hot and speak Italian too) and this all kind of set my mind to rest about worries I had for Giovanni in Ascendant. Yay for normal.</p>
<p>And now I have to go and watch Labyrinth and David Bowie!</p>
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		<title>By: Lell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really gonna have to read this series about Katniss and Gale and Peetna now.  I AM with Lisa S on the Morelli side of the debate, though.

Two things stuck out to me from this excellent post:

1) Another reason Angel and Bucephalus are alike?  Strange, pointy foreheads.

2) I would think that an Astrid/Bucephalus relationship (Ascephalus?) would work much better if, say, Astrid were descended from CATHERINE the Great rather than Alexander the Great.

Tasteless historical jokes aside, so much WORD to this post.  The &lt;i&gt;worst&lt;/I&gt; types of romances are when the characters aren&#039;t on even footing at all.  If one character is clearly superior to the other in everything, it&#039;s a major turn-off.  It reads like a bad 80s novel with &quot;punishing&quot; kisses and all that tripe.  Yes, one partner can be more skilled at something than the other, but as long as they&#039;re both bringing something to the table, so to speak, by the end of the story, it&#039;s perfectly fine.  I could rave about how Poe and Amy are one of my favorite book couples because of this, but you&#039;ve heard that one from me.  So I&#039;ll just end by saying another great example of the relationships mentioned above would be my favorite Pierce couple, Daine and Numair.

(And just by checking Wikipedia, I found out she&#039;s writing two Numair books.  Excuse me while I go do a happy dance)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really gonna have to read this series about Katniss and Gale and Peetna now.  I AM with Lisa S on the Morelli side of the debate, though.</p>
<p>Two things stuck out to me from this excellent post:</p>
<p>1) Another reason Angel and Bucephalus are alike?  Strange, pointy foreheads.</p>
<p>2) I would think that an Astrid/Bucephalus relationship (Ascephalus?) would work much better if, say, Astrid were descended from CATHERINE the Great rather than Alexander the Great.</p>
<p>Tasteless historical jokes aside, so much WORD to this post.  The <i>worst</i> types of romances are when the characters aren&#8217;t on even footing at all.  If one character is clearly superior to the other in everything, it&#8217;s a major turn-off.  It reads like a bad 80s novel with &#8220;punishing&#8221; kisses and all that tripe.  Yes, one partner can be more skilled at something than the other, but as long as they&#8217;re both bringing something to the table, so to speak, by the end of the story, it&#8217;s perfectly fine.  I could rave about how Poe and Amy are one of my favorite book couples because of this, but you&#8217;ve heard that one from me.  So I&#8217;ll just end by saying another great example of the relationships mentioned above would be my favorite Pierce couple, Daine and Numair.</p>
<p>(And just by checking Wikipedia, I found out she&#8217;s writing two Numair books.  Excuse me while I go do a happy dance)</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is HILARIOUS! I had to go to TV Tropes and link it on the &quot;Sexy Mentor&quot; page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is HILARIOUS! I had to go to TV Tropes and link it on the &#8220;Sexy Mentor&#8221; page.</p>
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