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		<title>By: Daria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth, definitely... I think maybe because what is more difficult is supposed to be more valuable. Or perhaps--not my theories, just retelling them--of the idea that true art must be born out of extreme emotion--and snickering and staying up all night to meet the deadline isn&#039;t quite as extreme as cutting off your own ears or going into nervous breakdown or suffering in general.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I find it romantic, I must admit. Even though I have discovered that when someone says, this is a book I bled to write, the book turns out to be too... small. Biographical, personal, describing some kind of ordinary drama, sometimes hidden behind a plot. The author might bleed, but the reader won&#039;t feel a prick. There are exceptions, of course. Always. Take Wuthering Heights. Its author is now considered almost not quite right in the head. But this is another urban legend, the legend of an extraordinary author, with a bizarre personality, extravagant views, and twisted mind.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Although... a writing mentor I had, long long ago, asked me. If you knew you&#039;d die in a year. Which book would you write?&lt;br/&gt;Maybe that would be the true book of my heart then?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;And most of the time, they&#039;re just full of themselves.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;hehe... they are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth, definitely&#8230; I think maybe because what is more difficult is supposed to be more valuable. Or perhaps&#8211;not my theories, just retelling them&#8211;of the idea that true art must be born out of extreme emotion&#8211;and snickering and staying up all night to meet the deadline isn&#8217;t quite as extreme as cutting off your own ears or going into nervous breakdown or suffering in general.</p>
<p>I find it romantic, I must admit. Even though I have discovered that when someone says, this is a book I bled to write, the book turns out to be too&#8230; small. Biographical, personal, describing some kind of ordinary drama, sometimes hidden behind a plot. The author might bleed, but the reader won&#8217;t feel a prick. There are exceptions, of course. Always. Take Wuthering Heights. Its author is now considered almost not quite right in the head. But this is another urban legend, the legend of an extraordinary author, with a bizarre personality, extravagant views, and twisted mind.</p>
<p>Although&#8230; a writing mentor I had, long long ago, asked me. If you knew you&#8217;d die in a year. Which book would you write?<br />Maybe that would be the true book of my heart then?</p>
<p>&#8220;And most of the time, they&#8217;re just full of themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>hehe&#8230; they are!</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, great blog post and great article link!</description>
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		<title>By: Julie Leto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Leto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; And the social culture places more value on a creative work if its author cried bloody tears and washed Prozac down with pure whiskey while writing it -- as opposed to a story which was written by an author snickering over her own jokes, entertaining herself all along the way and having a damn good time in general :) &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Isn&#039;t that the truth?  And I, for one, am sick of it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But I also think that many AUTHORS buy into this mindset as well...they only think it&#039;s the book of their heart if they bleed to write it.  And most of the time, they&#039;re just full of themselves.  Sorry, but that&#039;s what I&#039;ve encountered.  I prefer to be entertained...and in terms of commercial fiction, I think I&#039;m in the majority!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> And the social culture places more value on a creative work if its author cried bloody tears and washed Prozac down with pure whiskey while writing it &#8212; as opposed to a story which was written by an author snickering over her own jokes, entertaining herself all along the way and having a damn good time in general <img src='http://www.dianapeterfreund.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that the truth?  And I, for one, am sick of it.</p>
<p>But I also think that many AUTHORS buy into this mindset as well&#8230;they only think it&#8217;s the book of their heart if they bleed to write it.  And most of the time, they&#8217;re just full of themselves.  Sorry, but that&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve encountered.  I prefer to be entertained&#8230;and in terms of commercial fiction, I think I&#8217;m in the majority!</p>
<p>Julie</p>
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		<title>By: Daria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diana, I meant the marketing how-tos. However, as Julie&#039;s comment shows (&quot;whole point of my article...&quot;) , I might be reading it with an eye towards different things. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Although, what do I know? I&#039;ve never had a book that I couldn&#039;t stop telling, a book that haunted me, a book that I simply wasn&#039;t able not to write, a book that was catharsis and suffering and heartbreak, and oh such sweet pain. Jo Beverly&#039;s definition. I couldn&#039;t for the life of me choose just one idea, just one work, to tinker with it for years, or to focus on it completely. My attention span ain&#039;t that big :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But at the same time, once the &quot;external&quot; changes are needed--i.e., the changes I didn&#039;t originally want or plan--the book goes away from my heart and enters the wallet zone. The book of my heart, in my own definition, is simply something written to please no one but myself. Not the editor. Not the audience. With not a care what anyone might think. Although by a whim of fate, it can be as commercial as they get. I have one like that. &lt;br/&gt;So far, I&#039;ve been lucky to have pretty light editing, but I&#039;m dreading the time when I get ten pages of edits and realize I think they are all wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diana, I meant the marketing how-tos. However, as Julie&#8217;s comment shows (&#8220;whole point of my article&#8230;&#8221;) , I might be reading it with an eye towards different things. </p>
<p>Although, what do I know? I&#8217;ve never had a book that I couldn&#8217;t stop telling, a book that haunted me, a book that I simply wasn&#8217;t able not to write, a book that was catharsis and suffering and heartbreak, and oh such sweet pain. Jo Beverly&#8217;s definition. I couldn&#8217;t for the life of me choose just one idea, just one work, to tinker with it for years, or to focus on it completely. My attention span ain&#8217;t that big <img src='http://www.dianapeterfreund.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But at the same time, once the &#8220;external&#8221; changes are needed&#8211;i.e., the changes I didn&#8217;t originally want or plan&#8211;the book goes away from my heart and enters the wallet zone. The book of my heart, in my own definition, is simply something written to please no one but myself. Not the editor. Not the audience. With not a care what anyone might think. Although by a whim of fate, it can be as commercial as they get. I have one like that. <br />So far, I&#8217;ve been lucky to have pretty light editing, but I&#8217;m dreading the time when I get ten pages of edits and realize I think they are all wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Daria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,&lt;br/&gt;Oops... if I knew you visited this blog, I&#039;d be more polite! &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Actually, that was my point. About the voice and marketability. You seemed to describe a situation in which a BOYV is basically a commercialized BOYH--but to be able to do that, one needs to have a pretty commercial voice to begin with. I.e., the market potential is already there, it just needs to be brought to the surface. In a way, it sounded almost as if finding one&#039;s voice &quot;helps&quot; to make a book more commercial.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But most authors who have problems with their BOYHs being unsellable--well, most authors I know, anyway--have distinctive, developed voices. Their issue is the voice itself being not very commercial--and at the same time, fully developed--so that a radical change might be extremely difficult or cripple them creatively. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And I agree completely. It&#039;s not good advice. It leads to &quot;they say if you write a good book, the cream will rise to the top. In which case, my book must suck.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Actually, some of the importance placed on BOYH--the only book worth writing--might be because for many authors, their commercial work is a game of sorts. Enjoyable. While a BOYH is an emotional storm, challenging, demanding, turning upside out. And the social culture places more value on a creative work if its author cried bloody tears and washed Prozac down with pure whiskey while writing it -- as opposed to a story which was written by an author snickering over her own jokes, entertaining herself all along the way and having a damn good time in general :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,<br />Oops&#8230; if I knew you visited this blog, I&#8217;d be more polite! </p>
<p>Actually, that was my point. About the voice and marketability. You seemed to describe a situation in which a BOYV is basically a commercialized BOYH&#8211;but to be able to do that, one needs to have a pretty commercial voice to begin with. I.e., the market potential is already there, it just needs to be brought to the surface. In a way, it sounded almost as if finding one&#8217;s voice &#8220;helps&#8221; to make a book more commercial.</p>
<p>But most authors who have problems with their BOYHs being unsellable&#8211;well, most authors I know, anyway&#8211;have distinctive, developed voices. Their issue is the voice itself being not very commercial&#8211;and at the same time, fully developed&#8211;so that a radical change might be extremely difficult or cripple them creatively. </p>
<p>And I agree completely. It&#8217;s not good advice. It leads to &#8220;they say if you write a good book, the cream will rise to the top. In which case, my book must suck.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, some of the importance placed on BOYH&#8211;the only book worth writing&#8211;might be because for many authors, their commercial work is a game of sorts. Enjoyable. While a BOYH is an emotional storm, challenging, demanding, turning upside out. And the social culture places more value on a creative work if its author cried bloody tears and washed Prozac down with pure whiskey while writing it &#8212; as opposed to a story which was written by an author snickering over her own jokes, entertaining herself all along the way and having a damn good time in general <img src='http://www.dianapeterfreund.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Julie Leto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Leto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; But it would be truly your book--a book written to please no one but yourself, taking into consideration no one&#039;s concerns and ideas by your own.  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Which is precisely why it is not good advice for someone (an editor, an agent, a fellow writer) to tell you to &quot;write the book of your heart.&quot;  Your heart will not necessarily guide you to what is commercial and will actually sell.  And so many writers get so upset when the &quot;book of their heart&quot; is rejected.  It&#039;s so personal!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You do have a point that my voice is naturally commercial.  Always has been--hopefully, always will be!  My first three books didn&#039;t sell b/c I simply hadn&#039;t found my voice yet.  Luckily, once I found my voice, it happened to be the right time for it in the marketplace.  Luck, luck, luck.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But the whole point of my article was to dispel the notion that the book of the heart was the only book worth writing.  I have no problem if people want to write a book like that, but as I said, most of those books are not commercial and therefore, a writer who follows the BOYH advice may be in for great disappointment.  I&#039;m not talking about people who are writing for themselves, but those who are writing to SELL.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Diana, thanks for bringing attention to the article!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> But it would be truly your book&#8211;a book written to please no one but yourself, taking into consideration no one&#8217;s concerns and ideas by your own.  </i></p>
<p>Which is precisely why it is not good advice for someone (an editor, an agent, a fellow writer) to tell you to &#8220;write the book of your heart.&#8221;  Your heart will not necessarily guide you to what is commercial and will actually sell.  And so many writers get so upset when the &#8220;book of their heart&#8221; is rejected.  It&#8217;s so personal!</p>
<p>You do have a point that my voice is naturally commercial.  Always has been&#8211;hopefully, always will be!  My first three books didn&#8217;t sell b/c I simply hadn&#8217;t found my voice yet.  Luckily, once I found my voice, it happened to be the right time for it in the marketplace.  Luck, luck, luck.</p>
<p>But the whole point of my article was to dispel the notion that the book of the heart was the only book worth writing.  I have no problem if people want to write a book like that, but as I said, most of those books are not commercial and therefore, a writer who follows the BOYH advice may be in for great disappointment.  I&#8217;m not talking about people who are writing for themselves, but those who are writing to SELL.</p>
<p>Diana, thanks for bringing attention to the article!</p>
<p>Julie</p>
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		<title>By: Caro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good link.  I&#039;ve had two &quot;Books of My Heart&quot; by Jo Beverly&#039;s definition and I have to say that they weren&#039;t necessarily the most pleasant writing experience I&#039;ve known.  In both cases, the ideas grabbed my by the throat and wouldn&#039;t let me stop until I was done.  Almost every waking moment was consumed by either writing or thinking about the story -- and only one of them is marketable &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; I do some heavy revisions to it, something I haven&#039;t been able to bring myself to do.  I&#039;ve also found I&#039;ve suffered burn out after both eperiences, so consumed by the effort of geting that story down on my head and onto the page so it was &lt;b&gt;done&lt;/b&gt; that I didn&#039;t have anything left to give.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If I&#039;m not putting my heart into a story, if this isn&#039;t something I feel I need/want to tell, then what I&#039;m doing isn&#039;t going to come easy.  Doesn&#039;t make it a book of your heart, though -- those can be like kudzu in your brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good link.  I&#8217;ve had two &#8220;Books of My Heart&#8221; by Jo Beverly&#8217;s definition and I have to say that they weren&#8217;t necessarily the most pleasant writing experience I&#8217;ve known.  In both cases, the ideas grabbed my by the throat and wouldn&#8217;t let me stop until I was done.  Almost every waking moment was consumed by either writing or thinking about the story &#8212; and only one of them is marketable <i>if</i> I do some heavy revisions to it, something I haven&#8217;t been able to bring myself to do.  I&#8217;ve also found I&#8217;ve suffered burn out after both eperiences, so consumed by the effort of geting that story down on my head and onto the page so it was <b>done</b> that I didn&#8217;t have anything left to give.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m not putting my heart into a story, if this isn&#8217;t something I feel I need/want to tell, then what I&#8217;m doing isn&#8217;t going to come easy.  Doesn&#8217;t make it a book of your heart, though &#8212; those can be like kudzu in your brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Peterfreund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Peterfreund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, Jo, I don&#039;t think you need to have a book of your heart. maybe one will come to you sometime, maybe it won&#039;t. I have plenty of books that I love that I may or may not ever be able to sell, but I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any ONE that i can point to and say yes, THIS is the book of my heart. Catch me in a few decades -- if I&#039;m still obsessing over it, then we can talk. ;-)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You should totally try first person! Didn&#039;t I read you once saying that you pick a new challenge every year -- one year it was to write as sexy as possible (A+, btw), the next year was plot, etc.?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;(Of course, I must warn you that the danger in that is that now that I&#039;ve done 1st person, I don&#039;t want to go back! LOL)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Does it stirke anyone else as odd that the password of the day is sukymlux? It seems somehow *dirty*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, Jo, I don&#8217;t think you need to have a book of your heart. maybe one will come to you sometime, maybe it won&#8217;t. I have plenty of books that I love that I may or may not ever be able to sell, but I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any ONE that i can point to and say yes, THIS is the book of my heart. Catch me in a few decades &#8212; if I&#8217;m still obsessing over it, then we can talk. <img src='http://www.dianapeterfreund.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You should totally try first person! Didn&#8217;t I read you once saying that you pick a new challenge every year &#8212; one year it was to write as sexy as possible (A+, btw), the next year was plot, etc.?</p>
<p>(Of course, I must warn you that the danger in that is that now that I&#8217;ve done 1st person, I don&#8217;t want to go back! LOL)</p>
<p>Does it stirke anyone else as odd that the password of the day is sukymlux? It seems somehow *dirty*.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Peterfreund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Peterfreund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Daria, she talks a lot about marketability. marketability is what launches the whole essay because Jo Beverly&#039;s original point is that the BOYH was soemthing that maybe wasn&#039;t marketable but you had to write it anyway just so you could get back to what you were writing -- like you&#039;re a regency writer but thre&#039;s this dark futuristic fantasy nagging at you, or you write angsty paranormals but you scribble romantic comedies and keep them in a drawer (and dont&#039; laugh, I have a pubbed friend who actually does this).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What she does say is:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;One last note about that troublesome book of the heart--Several editors at NINC noted that in about half the cases they&#039;d seen, The Book of the Heart was dark and depressing. That too many authors are using the &quot;book of the heart&quot; as a catharsis and while sometimes it works as both a healing tool and a means of entertaining readers, most times it does not. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So these &quot;angsty&quot; books are in SOME instances the author&#039;s therapy. She&#039;s not saying that BOYH is always angsty and BOYV is always light. But if you want to be successful in the realm of commercial fiction, then you should be entertaining, whether you are entertaining with deep angst and emotion, with fear, with fantasy, with comedy. That&#039;s what commercial fiction does. It&#039;s an entertainment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Daria, she talks a lot about marketability. marketability is what launches the whole essay because Jo Beverly&#8217;s original point is that the BOYH was soemthing that maybe wasn&#8217;t marketable but you had to write it anyway just so you could get back to what you were writing &#8212; like you&#8217;re a regency writer but thre&#8217;s this dark futuristic fantasy nagging at you, or you write angsty paranormals but you scribble romantic comedies and keep them in a drawer (and dont&#8217; laugh, I have a pubbed friend who actually does this).</p>
<p>What she does say is:</p>
<p><i>One last note about that troublesome book of the heart&#8211;Several editors at NINC noted that in about half the cases they&#8217;d seen, The Book of the Heart was dark and depressing. That too many authors are using the &#8220;book of the heart&#8221; as a catharsis and while sometimes it works as both a healing tool and a means of entertaining readers, most times it does not. </i></p>
<p>So these &#8220;angsty&#8221; books are in SOME instances the author&#8217;s therapy. She&#8217;s not saying that BOYH is always angsty and BOYV is always light. But if you want to be successful in the realm of commercial fiction, then you should be entertaining, whether you are entertaining with deep angst and emotion, with fear, with fantasy, with comedy. That&#8217;s what commercial fiction does. It&#8217;s an entertainment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrific article, and terrific point.  I&#039;ve never had a book of the heart.  I&#039;ve had ideas, characters, concepts that I&#039;ve wanted to explore, worlds I want to play in.  I&#039;m still dying to write a first person, though, so maybe that counts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrific article, and terrific point.  I&#8217;ve never had a book of the heart.  I&#8217;ve had ideas, characters, concepts that I&#8217;ve wanted to explore, worlds I want to play in.  I&#8217;m still dying to write a first person, though, so maybe that counts?</p>
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