There have been several interesting posts on the topic of writing advice in the past few weeks on my blog roll.1 I like Justine’s (first link), and it’s a good thing to keep in mind.

She says:

I occasionally get letters from beginning writers and newly published authors who are confused by some of my writing advice and observations about the publishing industry. Confused, because they have read exactly the opposite information elsewhere.

I get that too. I’m not particularly bothered by it, probably because my main bit of writing advice to all beginning writers is “FINISH THE BOOK!” and I say that knowing that, yes, indeed, I sold my first book on proposal, and a large percentage of the time, anyone to whom I suggest finishing the book will remind me of this.2 So I’m used to it.3

Conflicting advice is normal. Advice that conflicts with the advice-giver’s own M.O. is no less normal, otherwise we wouldn’t have that lovely adage, “Do as I say, not as I do.” Several years back, I got a bunch of “Nuh-UH! So-and-so says never use such-and-such!” comments after posting about my love for a certain writing convention a prominent writer and writing instructor abhorred. I actually knew of her distaste for it, having recently sat through a workshop in which she decried it early and often. I survived. She survived. We both went on to write more books, some of which were actually read by the same people. The world paused not in its orbit, and the general happiness of the universe increased.

So I don’t consider that when I disagree or conflict with someone else’s advice, I may be inadvertently starting some kind of writing-advice-giving grudge match.4 Because I can sound a bit — ahem — passionate about my particular passions.5 So while I’ll happily comment on other advice (and have, see the WGAGB series at left), give my own, and generally talk about the wonders of writing advice (because it’s my job, yo), I have no real interest in a smackdown competition of advice. Of course I think you should take my advice — because why else would I bother to give it? — but I don’t think I should win and the other advice should lose. And I wouldn’t want you to take it in lieu of something that feels right to you. Because, as Justine also says:

All writing advice should be taken with a grain of salt. Maybe it’ll work for you, maybe not. There are no hard and fast rules, only guidelines. Do what works, chuck what doesn’t, but stay open to it maybe working for you at a different time or for a different novel.

Good point. And I think that last bit is particularly useful. Never say never. You may start doing collages, like me. I was a bit surprised to learn the other day that someone thought my process was clockwork. Dude, I’ve only written seven books. And every book is different.

I have a friend who refers to certain books she’s written as “gift novels.” Everything was in the right place at the right time, she never had to go in and do major surgery, etc., the characters behaved as they ought, it was a joy to sit down at the computer and write everyday, blah blah blah… It was a gift. Bully for her, huh? Now, there are other novels that, clearly, were not gifts, where maybe she had to go back and retrench, or rewrite, or rip out entire subplots or start the second half of the book from scratch — and to do so, she had to revisit her stores of writing advice. Don’t think she had to do that with the gifts.

Thus, not every bit of advice applies to every novel. Processes aren’t going to be the same for every novel. And it’s not going to be a steady situation, either. The process that works for novels 1, 2, and 3, may not work for 4 or 5, but kicks in at 6 then fails again at 7.

And another point to keep in mind is the source of the advice. On one hand, the experience a source has had is valuable in determining the worth of the advice. As a baby writer myself, I am always looking to those who have been in the industry longer, and have the scars to prove it. On the other hand, you’re going to see lots of sources with conflicting advice AND a ton of experience. Alternately, you can get great advice from people with no experience at all. I got some amazing advice from someone who hasn’t written more than three pages in a row since college. I used to get so frustrated on writing sites and loops where the advice of the published author was treated as The Word On High, and The End of the Discussion. Which always vexed me greatly, since I like discussion. And I don’t mind disagreeing and still going on with my life.

For instance, one of my critique partners, Carrie, can’t start a book until she has her first sentence. (At least, this was so with her last book.) I think she’s nuts. And still, we manage to work together just fine.

Find me a published author who says one thing, I’ll find you one with just as much experience, plaudits, acclaim, etc. who says exactly the opposite. They both survive. They both write books that often, the same people read. The world pauses not in its orbit and general happiness in the universe increases.

You can even get great advice from people whose books you think suck. But that’s a secret between you and me.

But the one rule is: don’t follow advice that’s not working for you. Even if it’s advice from the bestselling author of seventy-five of your most favoritist books in the entire history of the written word, even if it worked for the last forty-two books you wrote, even if everyone else seems to agree…. if it’s not working, ditch it. For serious.

I’m off to a writer’s conference this weekend with my fabulous friends, advice-givers, critique partners, and mentors from the Tampa Area Romance Authors. (I only listen to them sometimes.) Blog posts may be thin on the ground ’til I return.
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1. New term Alison Kent taught me. Yes, I’m always the last to know these things.
2. The people most fond of such reminders have usually not finished any book. Writing your first book is a big deal.
3. I don’t care. Finish the book. It will make you so much happier. It will make the publishers who want to buy it and rush it right into production so much happier. The happiness level of the universe will increase. Yays all ’round. (Oops, sorry. I’ll add: your mileage may vary.)
4. Which honestly, would be a pretty pathetic spectator sport. Here’s how you win in a fight with a writer: Pull her finger back. She’ll cry uncle or risk being in finger casts until after her deadline.
5. It’s popular in internet circles to couch everything in “YMMV” and “IMHO” and “I think” and other qualifiers. But it should be pretty obvious that the things I post on my blog are the things that I think. Do I really need to spell it out?
6. Yes, I’m jealous. She also lives on the beach in Florida, and it’s 23 degrees and raining here.

11 Responses to “Writing Advice, and the Taking Thereof”
  1. Patrick, The Space Lord says:

    I think it would be a lot easier if there was just one way to do it. I propose that we start a committee to get all writers together and decide which way that is and then enforce it.

    I’d like to point out that my initial post, that appears to have annoyed some people, in that it may be bad advice, contained observations that there are different styles(Jenny Crusie v. Stuart Woods).

    It was more about the observation of background to editing style and even that observation has been refuted, since one of my examples is refuting me. :)

    I was really trying to get at how to gain the skill that a journalist or ad executive builds in their day job rather than the blanket ‘kill your darlings’ editing advice that is so prevalent and taught by English teachers.

    I clearly failed.

  2. JulieLeto says:

    I’m about to work on a book now that I suspect I won’t send to my agent until it is done. A complete. This, after 30 sold books. Sometimes, you just have to finish the book. I haven’t sold on anything but proposal for 29 books, but I’m considering making a switch.

    In this business…and in this craft…you have to be like Lily Tomlin says in 9 to 5…”I’m a tree, I can bend.” Flexibility and the ability to see the worth of processes that might not be yours at the moment, but might be just what you need on the very next project, is a key to continued and long-range success. It’s people who get stuck up in the rules and hard-and-fast expectations of their own work that sometimes either don’t sell or never sell again.

    IMO. :-)

  3. Bill Clark says:

    Of course I think you should take my advice — because why else would I bother to give it? — but I don’t think I should win and the other advice should lose. And I wouldn’t want you to take it in lieu of something that feels right to you.

    Diana, this is a terrific post! There is so much excellent advice out here in the blogosphere, and of course some of it is mutually contradictory. You have neatly showed us how to live with that fact.

    Have fun at TARA! Wish I could be there, even though they probably don’t allow non-members through the door. (And to think that Delta is running its $59 each way LGA-TPA special again this weekend…guess it’s the old story: conjunction of the minds, and opposition of the stars. Why can’t the world pause in its orbit long enough for the stars to realign themselves?)

  4. Carrie says:

    Excellent post! I’ve recently been thinking through many of these same things. You’re right that advice is conflicting and you not only have to find what works for you, but be willing to change that if it’s not working any more (cursed first line issues!!).

    I’m one of those people who loves to hear how other people write and to read writing advice because I never know what will trigger something for me or inspire me. And I also like debating various advice because… well… I like debating things :)

    I do think that needing to know “the right way” can lead to trouble — there really is no right way!

  5. Diana Peterfreund says:

    One way for all! We’ll be like the Borg. It’ll be AWESOME.

    I think the skills that journalists and ad execs have are probably cobbled together from a gazillion bon mots LIKE “kill your darlings.”

    I wish I had a magic wand. But I don’t.

    (Julie does, though.)

  6. Vicki says:

    Great post. Although I’m not yet published, I am working as hard as I can to get there. I think I had to learn the rules, actually, I know I had to learn the rules first. Then I had to learn how to take what was working for my book and what was not. Making the not part not look like I broke a rule and yet…I did.

    I have to say You, Julie, Cheryl, and a several other TARA members have played a key role in this for me. Trust me, what you guys have to say I listen and listen well. I love the fact that you bring it to the table with what works, doesn’t work, and might work somewhere else.

    See ya at the bar!!

  7. Erica Ridley says:

    Ditto everything you said! Can’t wait to see you…

  8. booklady says:

    The thing with what we learn is that it has this way of combining with what else we know and then changing over time, so that after a while it can be difficult to say where all of what we know came from. It could be something we thought of ourselves, something we read in a book on writing or heard at a conference session, or it could be something we actually misunderstood in the most opportune of ways. The beautiful thing about creativity is that it works so differently for everything. That’s also one of the most difficult and terrifying things about it, because there is no right way.

  9. JulieLeto says:

    I do have a magic wand! Maybe I’ll bring it this weekend!

  10. TJBrown says:

    Great advice, Diana. LOL Honestly, things are so different for different people and different books that I am hesitant to give advice, at least publicly. I do help newbie writers in person or off list…and I always tell them to take it with a grain of salt.
    Teri

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